I can't find it.

Warlord · Post by **Warlord** » Sat Jun 01, 2002 7:44 pm

Karl is in the Den in the bar in the eastern part of the town, just below Slavers guild.

Before you take the message to Modoc, examine on of the bodies which are been pierced with a pole.
Then go down to Slag caves and north. There is an exit grid. Go there and there are kids. Talk to them and one of them opens a dialogue window. Ask if his name is Johny and tell him that his father send you to find him. He'll ask his fathers name. That is Balthas.

Now in Den speka to Karl and ask him what's his story. Then head back to Modoc and tell Jo about Karl, the bodies and the boy if you need to. He should agree with the Slag message. Go back to the farm and ask Vegeir if you can take Johny back. He sends you and Johny back to Modoc.

TheReaper · Post by **TheReaper** » Sat Jun 01, 2002 7:56 pm

Thanks for that but I don't have kids in my version (English) I may put them in but I don't know if it's worth it.

Rat Keeng · Post by **Rat Keeng** » Sat Jun 01, 2002 8:38 pm

What you get is you'll be able to complete the Johnny quest, you can return the Nixon doll to Curtis in Vault City, and in the forced first encounter with Frank Horrigan, instead of just a man and a woman, a child will be slaughtered as well. Plus there's kids in The Den so you can steal back your stuff, there's annoying children in Klamath, and the Wrights actually have children.

Tank · Post by **Tank** » Sat Jun 01, 2002 9:49 pm

Yup. Getting the children-patch is definitely worth it!

TheReaper · Post by **TheReaper** » Sat Jun 01, 2002 10:19 pm

I'll download the US patch then, I already have the children thing but I need the US patch to make it work.

BigJack · Post by **BigJack** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 12:32 am

only put the children after doing everything in The Den (those annoying sons of bitches steal everything).

Jimbo san · Post by **Jimbo san** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 1:52 am

But all the patch does is make them visible. They still steal your stuff, even without the patch. So the patch enables you to kill the mother****ing b*****ds and get your stuff back.
Little hint - use combat mode to walk past them without being robbed.

Tank · Post by **Tank** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 2:38 am

I love pizza....

I mean, I love that combat-trick, it works every time!

TheReaper · Post by **TheReaper** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 3:25 am

It can get you into the Vault in Vault City when you're not a citizen.

I love pizza, just had one for dinner

Tank · Post by **Tank** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 3:37 am

It can get you into a lot of places- and out of a lot of trouble as well!

TheReaper · Post by **TheReaper** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 5:03 am

Ok, something VERY strange just happened. I went to do some boxing. I attacked and it said a critical miss losing my next turn. It said I had lost. I tried again and as soon as it said round 1 in red the fight ended saying I had lost by knockout. Am I the only one? Does this always happen? Is it a glitch?

Warlord · Post by **Warlord** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 5:31 am

The boxing has a million bugs. Sometimes the game just freezes while loading the fight, sometimes the enemy moves after he is defeated (the screen is black, but I can see the red lines which is the enemy)....does the same in San Fran when I'm fighting the Fu Man Chuz...they just move when the screen is black, if they don't die when I give them a beating, they are still in the ring WITH the next opponent.

Now think how hard it is to beat three of them in the same time....

Tank · Post by **Tank** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 6:01 am

I've never had any problems with either arena- maybe I'm just a lucky fella?

Warlord · Post by **Warlord** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 1:25 pm

Guess you are

It helped a little to patch the game to the newest, but I still have that enemy moving when screen is black. Worst thing is that they sometimes come after you and hit you then....but usually they just run away.

Red · Post by **Red** » Sun Jun 02, 2002 1:40 pm

You have to do the boxing in a specific way to AVOID bugs.

First you need NOT to kill anyone. If you do chances are it'll screw up.
Second, if you knock him out, you can still hit him, but again, don't kill him. I suggest NOT inflicting too much damage (ie, leave him with 1 more shot until he's out), as sometimes when he'll get up he won't fight back. When that happens, first go back into attack mode and wait a turn (make sure to stay away so he doesn't hit you and then inflict the final blow...). If he still doesn't attack you, then attack him once and things should be back to normal.
Third, once the ennemy has "given up" just let him run away for a round, and the fight will end the next turn. Don't attack him. Note that during this round you can save, while saving anywhere else can both produce bugs, and put you in a bad position (having to press "A" as soon as the game loads, as otherwise you'll lose a turn)
So fourth is found in Third: don't save anywhere else then the "empty" turn between fights.

Every fight I've done following these rules allowed me a bugless fight.

BigJack · Post by **BigJack** » Mon Jun 03, 2002 3:35 am

I always had probs with that but then i patched and the fights went just fine, i use a the secret arts of the asian wastes (actually i use an art i made up) hell i knocked out the Masticator with a single blow, its easy just keep aiming to the groin (and use the plated gloves) :roll: easy.

Warlord · Post by **Warlord** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 3:06 pm

You Fool! You must fight with honor or you shall never eat lightning and crap thunder!

I just hit him with normal hits so long that he drops...

BigJack · Post by **BigJack** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 11:52 pm

Warlord wrote:You Fool! You must fight with honor or you shall never eat lightning and crap thunder!

I just hit him with normal hits so long that he drops...

A hit in his balls and if he faints you win instantly (in New Reno) now in SanFran i aim to the balls but when they faint i hit'em in the eyes until he dies (hey a rime) :roll:

Warlord · Post by **Warlord** » Wed Jun 05, 2002 2:57 pm

That works too. I like bashing the heads. With Slayer, I usually score an instant death critical. Works in hitting the torso too.

Jimbo san · Post by **Jimbo san** » Wed Jun 05, 2002 6:41 pm

TheReaper wrote:Ok, something VERY strange just happened. I went to do some boxing. I attacked and it said a critical miss losing my next turn. It said I had lost. I tried again and as soon as it said round 1 in red the fight ended saying I had lost by knockout. Am I the only one? Does this always happen? Is it a glitch?

It's deliberate. The programmers put it in so that if you have a critical error or make a bad mistake, the other guy automatically wipes you out. Unfair? Maybe.