RIAA

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 2:51 am

As you all may know the RIAA are trying to get the names of big time piraters and trying to subpeona them. Do you think they will succeed? Does this sound Unconstitutional to you? I think this is pure bullshit and an invasion on peoples rights.

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:18 am

Actually us taking their property (you know their property, their songs and such that they own) is more unconstitutional than them trying to find us and fine us, that's like saying it's against the law for a cop to arrest you after kicking a midget into traffic. We shouldn't be downloading shit that dosn't belong to us unless we pay for it (I say we because I too am guilty of this) of course they're only going after the people who have vast collections and are really just acting as servers. Suck it up kids, we're pirates and we deserve what comes to us, matey.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:20 am

You have a point there, but it is an invasion of privacy, and the record companies and artists are already up to their asses in money, it's just greddy really.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:22 am

If they're just using file-sharing programs to determine who to sue, then it's not really an invasion of privacy. If they're hacking than that's just flat out illegal. If the government allows them to hack without punishment, then that's unconstitutional.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:23 am

They are asking the ISPs to give the names of the people pirating

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:24 am

We live in a capitalist world, and I like it, it's a world where a nobody can be a somebody. What you're suggesting is communist. They have a right to protect their fortune, you'd be pissed to if someone came in and stole something of yours, even if you had lots of it, wouldn't you?

I belive they can request your name if you're doing something illegal.

Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:27 am

The concept of a music trading network is great but we can't be communists now, damn it!

What Apple did earlier this year was brilliant. To download a song for a buck was cool and it kept our captialist way of life! Is that for Windows now?

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:28 am

Not really, I mean if I had say $50 million and somebody was only taking maybe a few songs which are worth maybe a few dollars apiece, and yet I was still making money with tours, and the people who still buy the CDs, which I still do, then I would be ok with it. I mean how is this really that much different than giving $2 million to charity, aside form the charity part.

Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:33 am

But that's the thing. The artists can choose what songs go on to the network.

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:37 am

I bet if RIAA start to TRY stop the big piraters they will get some very serious problems, piraters tend to be the ones who can hack. If they can hack, and they have a target bothering them it could get messy. It would be cool to see a war between hackers and the RIAA.

Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:44 am

Oh please. That's almost as bad as Davey's Existenz. In which there's a battle war between gamers and non gamers.

Mad Max RW · Post by **Mad Max RW** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 3:57 am

I'd be sympathetic if the entertainment industry started making things worth paying for.

Grey Fil · Post by **Grey Fil** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:13 am

I'd be sympathetic if the entertainment industry starting making things worth paying for.

If they are not worth paying for are they worth stealing?

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:20 am

The RIAA already does get hacked on a regular basis.

Garf · Post by **Garf** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:25 am

The argument for P2P is this:

Ever physically trade movie-tapes with a friend? According to the RIAA you're stealing because that's all P2P is. The company that makes it looses no phyisical properties when this happens, thus nothing was stolen.

Copyright laws were first made to protect companies from sueing customers who decided to let others borrow their item, it also protects people who have garage sales to get rid of stuff...etc.

The truth though is this (as I see it):

Being part of the Warez community for many years I have come to the (obvious) conclusion that at least 95% of people who trade warez (this excludes your random kazaa member) don't do it just to "preview" the product in question but do it to escape having to pay for it. I myself always (ALWAYS) buy any and all PC Games I enjoy (even remotely). I do this because unlike console games I can't rent them and preview it, and rarely are demos an accurate essesment of the entire game. And unlike some people paying for college and an apartment doesn't allow 50 bucks to be wasted.. ever. However like I said, most don't do it for this reason and for that it is "wrong" from a moral standpoint. Does that mean it will stop though? Extremely doubtful. The RIAA isn't adapting to technology and doesn't really understand it. Their own website proves this because it has been "hacked" over 15 times and replaced with obscene images or Anti-RIAA statements. The holes in their system were that of amatuers and only until they called outside help was it fixed.

So, is RIAA bad? Well what they are doing is bad for their buisness, and they will find out the hard-way. However the 95% of people who make up the warez community are not "righteous" or "moral" in their actions.

Will the RIAA even remotely put a stop to Warez? No. Never. Hell, they can't even touch anyone outside the U.S.

Just my opinion.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 5:06 am

YOu make a very good point, Garf. And with your excellent post I give you the Congressional Medal of Making a Good Point The Needs to be shown to the RIAA memebers

Alphawulf · Post by **Alphawulf** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 6:12 am

Big Business is great! Look at cigarettes! Hundreds of thousands die from them, but the cigarette companies have so much money that no one can touch them not even me. As for the RIAA, they simply don't like not making all the money they can.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 6:26 am

All any company cares about is money and power

Smiley · Post by **Smiley** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 1:23 pm

You become negative when an anti-pirate company does it for the money, like the danish APG(Anti Pirate Group), who blackmail people that if they don't pay, say, half the amount of money that they were going to pay in normal fines, APG would call the police.

A. It's illegal to blackmail.

B. NOT telling the police is also illegal.

Ask me if there's done anything about it:

NOTHING!

Absolutely nada! Because it's somewhat working, so the government back here just rub their hands, because suddenly, they get a cut too.

Bunch of assholes all of them.
And the medias for blowing it up to a gigantic catastrophe.

To the record-companies:

You want to know why you don't sell enough CD's?
Because you're releasing SHIT!
And you have done so for the five past years!

ffs..

The Jizz Stain · Post by **The Jizz Stain** » Sun Aug 24, 2003 4:15 pm

Record companies don't sell any good music anyways. Why would someone want to steal crap?