i'm being repressed!

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 3:55 am

what's the deal with highschool/(school students) in colorado haveing to say the pledge of allegience every day??

it is oppression, i have the right not to pledge.
it's unconstitutional to enforce this!

(i have nothing against america, but i don't want to be forced/told what to beleive in/swear to)
(is it on national news yet?)

Stainless · Post by **Stainless** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:01 am

Eh? Where'd you hear this?

Nuclear Gandhi · Post by **Nuclear Gandhi** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:02 am

'Tis true! Anyone who refuses to not say the pledge of allegiance gets yelled into the ninth level of hell.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:03 am

Oh Strapon! You are such a wild and angst filled teen! keep fighting the good fight you little Che Guevara you! MAY YOUR ACTIONS INSPIRE OTHERS!!!!!!!!

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:04 am

i have to say the pledge of allegience in school, its a law... that's pretty wierd.

http://www.msnbc.com/local/csg/m316623.asp
http://www.msnbc.com/local/rmn/drmn_2178480.asp

"I am a patriotic person, but I believe that part of our freedom in the United States is to express our support for our country in different ways," said one of the plaintiffs, Denver student Keaty Gross, in a statement

that's how i feel about it.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:05 am

You're being repressed not oppressed? So what are you, a repressed homosexual? I think you should be spending more time in school learning the English language instead of blabbing about the Pledge of Allegiance on some internet forum.

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:07 am

Hammer wrote:You're being repressed not opressed? So what are you, a repressed homosexual?

have you seen monty-pithon?

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:09 am

Of course! And I see your point on the pledge Strapon, I don't think they should force people to say it however I do feel that people who protest and make a big deal about it are simply teenagers or hippies from the 70s that are looking for something to bitch about. What better to complain about than hating the United States? I mean, it's so hip to hate the U.S.A!

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:18 am

hey, there's got to me some group there to make people's opinions on the government/their actions come out. (even if noone cares...)

it's not like i hate hanging my american flag outside my door, i just don't want there to be a law saying i have to recite some pledge to it every day in school.
(plus it takes away from valuable learning time

)

Ghetto Goose · Post by **Ghetto Goose** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:31 am

Is it really that bad to stand up for a couple seconds and recite a poem? I mean, I think you should have the choice of not doing so, but is it that bad?

Alphawulf · Post by **Alphawulf** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:35 am

Hammer wrote:Of course! And I see your point on the pledge Strapon, I don't think they should force people to say it however I do feel that people who protest and make a big deal about it are simply teenagers or hippies from the 70s that are looking for something to bitch about. What better to complain about than hating the United States? I mean, it's so hip to hate the U.S.A!

Well if you think that people shouldn't be told what to say they believe in. Then why are you against people openly talking about their opinions. Would you rather everybody just say to themselves "The U.S. Government say I need to do this so I'll do this."

PerroViejo · Post by **PerroViejo** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 4:36 am

Strapon2 Wrote

hey, there's got to me some group there to make people's opinions on the government/their actions come out. (even if noone cares...)

it's not like i hate hanging my american flag outside my door, i just don't want there to be a law saying i have to recite some pledge to it every day in school.
(plus it takes away from valuable learning time )

So basically, you gotta fight for your right to parrr...uh um... I mean freedom of expression or worship or some such? :roll:

My heart goes out to you man. I didn't know Colorado was such a boring state that this is what you have to do to keep yourself entertained.

Battle on Strapon2!

P.S. I happen to agree with Hammer, perhaps if you took an ESL class? They helped my mom a lot when we first got to the U.S.

Dark_Machine · Post by **Dark_Machine** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:09 am

I got detention more than once for not saying it before they decided that we didn't have to. That was fun.

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:39 am

yea... i'll try

i'll also revise my posts more from this point on!

POOPERSCOOPER · Post by **POOPERSCOOPER** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 7:30 am

You should be fucking happy to sing the song, if you feel that the song is pointless to sing then you should get the fuck out of our country. I bet the people who fought for our freedom would be real happy that kids aren't singing the pledge of allegience because of teen angst problems. I don't care what people do when they come into this country, but they should atleast respect are traditions.

It's like when that arab found out her daughter felt out of place when singing the allegience in class, so they decided to recommend the banning of it in public places. The sad thing is that it almost PASSED.

Whats next, you find the colors on our flag offensive?

Alphawulf · Post by **Alphawulf** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:12 am

POOPERSCOOPER wrote:Whats next, you find the colors on our flag offensive?

It's about the reference to God in the pledge that's offensive, and just how exactly does hearing the pledge every day make you feel patriotic? After you use something repetitively its meaning become redundant and nobody cares. Every class that I have witnessed saying the pledge says it in a very half-ass manner and doesn't give it a second thought.

And If you want to know I am proud to be an American. It's just I also find the fact that people are turning our pledge and flag into a, "Do it or else you're an unpatriotic arab." kind of thing very non-represenitive of what the U.S. was founded on.

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:25 am

Damn straight, Alphawulf.

I personally fail to see a sufficient reason for reciting it every day. To me it seems akin to Hitler Youth-type stuff. No, no, I am not equating America to the Third Reich. I am just saying that it seems like a form of brainwashing and redundancy. Let people (contrary to popular belief, kids are people too) think for themselves and decide to support or spit on the flag.

I remember one time my friends and I didn't stand for the pledge or even recite it and the entire class got pissed off and said "STAND UP!" My overly liberal Biology teacher subsequently yelled at them for being "ignorant and close-minded for trying to force an opinion on others."

Abstaining from the pledge in no way pisses on the graves of dead soldiers.

You know what they say, that soldiers go to war to give you the right to "protest" in such ways.

Nuclear Gandhi · Post by **Nuclear Gandhi** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 8:26 am

5 repititions over a week, 240 repititions over a year...

Strap · Post by **Strap** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 1:39 pm

Alphawolf/Neondingo, you two know what I'm trying to say.

Who even made the pledge of allegience? I remember hearing that boyscouts used to not say the line: "under god." but that may be false.

I would much rather listen to the star spangled banner once a week than saying this thing every day.

axelgreese · Post by **axelgreese** » Thu Aug 14, 2003 5:00 pm

Strapon2 wrote:Who even made the pledge of allegience? I remember hearing that boyscouts used to not say the line: "under god." but that may be false.

It was added by Eisenhower (or the senate during Eisenhowers presidency...) iirc.

Way back when they made me do it, it was just like saying your ABC's... didn't mean shit, just another thing you did during the day. It's why, if someone were to ask me to recite it today 1) I wouldn't remember how it goes, it's been so long since I said it correct (I used to spice it up just for the sake of varity) and 2) I wouldn't, because ... well quite simply, actions speak louder than words. Oh and the "under god" bit just pisses me off.

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