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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 7:18 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hello everyone, I am pretty new to this game, But I am loving it!

I have a question about the one-hander trait. It says that I will do better with one handed weps and worse with two handed ones. Whenever I am using a pistol, I dont seem to do any better than if I am using a rifle or submachinegun. I have done many comparisons between pistols, obviously a on hander gun, and rifles, obviously 2 handed with similar ranges and Perception. But I have the same chance to hit with both weapons.

I would love to play a character who favors pistols in this game, but I would like to know what the one hander trait in fact "does"

Thanks in advance for any advice on this matter.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

this is one of the many bugs in FOT.

the one hander perks actually enhances your small arm skills but gravely affects big guns skills.


And since Rifles, ARs, SMGs, Pistols, Shotguns and Revolvers are considered as small arms, this trait improves them all.


as a tip, i would not suggest you to learn Big guns since the penalities dealt by One Handers are really bad, so train energy weapons after ya done with small guns.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 9:59 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Speaking of traits.

If APs dun really factor that much in CTB, then the Bruiser Trait must be a real Godsend. +2 STR for a measley loss of 2 APs. Which after the first round of combat in CTB won't really matter anymore.

Unless the recharge rate of APs are affected by the total no. of APs. Otherwise, I really see no reason to create a character with high APs.

I'd like to believe that someone with 12 APs will regen APs twice as fast as someone with 6, meaning that the former can pull 2 punches to every one from the slow poke.

Can one of the FOT Gurus please comment on this.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2003 10:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

elmoo wrote:
Speaking of traits.

If APs dun really factor that much in CTB, then the Bruiser Trait must be a real Godsend. +2 STR for a measley loss of 2 APs. Which after the first round of combat in CTB won't really matter anymore.

Unless the recharge rate of APs are affected by the total no. of APs. Otherwise, I really see no reason to create a character with high APs.

I'd like to believe that someone with 12 APs will regen APs twice as fast as someone with 6, meaning that the former can pull 2 punches to every one from the slow poke.

Can one of the FOT Gurus please comment on this.
Page 30 of the manual
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In CTB mode, Action Points regenerate. Characters with more APs regenerate faster than characters with less APs.


I don't know what the exact diference in the regeneration rate is between someone with 7APs and someone with 9APs, you'll need to wait until one of the Gurus replys, but the more APs the better in either TB or CTB. For example a character with 7 APs using burst fire will need to wait until they've regenerated 3APs before they can fire again. A character with 9 APs will only need to wait for 1 AP to regenerate.
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 19, 2003 4:31 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ya, I don't know how big of a difference a large amount of APs makes. But hey, how can you go wrong with 12 APs? I know all of my good single player characters are like that.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 3:46 am Reply with quoteBack to top

there is no different AP regeneration rate.

all regenerate at 1 sec per AP.

However chars with more APs can shoot and recover faster since they have more AP at their disposal.

12 APs with a Bonus ROF perk however can make a huge diff with Laser Pistols and Plasma pistols. Both weapon take only 2 AP with the perk.

You can easily have a near constant rate of fire. Eg by time i fire the 3rd shot, the 1st 2 APs would have been ready again.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 6:09 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Ripper wrote:
there is no different AP regeneration rate.

all regenerate at 1 sec per AP.
Probably, I'm only going by what the manual says and it wouldn't surprise me if it wasn't implemented. If it was then the difference is probably only in 10ths of seconds, but I'm not about to sit down with a stop watch to find out. : )
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:45 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Yes, I have noticed that the regeneration rate doesn't really take into account the total number of APs.

I did a comparaison between 2 of my chars and had them throw punches at another mutie squaddie.

Results - The first guy with 10APs threw in a flurry of punches but once the APs were all used up, he was punching at the same rate as the guy with only 6 APs

My conclusion: Bonus Rate HTT is FAAAAR better than having chunks and chunks of APs.

Taking Beth as an example, I will leave her with Bruiser. and won't bother with raising her AG or Action Boy. As such, I stress my earlier contention that the Bruiser trait is a God send for Melee players in CTB.

Furthermore, since unarmed attacks cost 1 less AP then melee, I'd just as soon sacrifice the range of melee weapons for more hits.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:06 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Personally I believe you can never have enough APs, I'd take a slightly weaker more agile character over a bruiser anyday. But that's the great thing about the Fallout games, so many possibilities, so many points of view. :)
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:34 am Reply with quoteBack to top

But that's the shittiest part of FOT multiplayer, only one kinds of character survive :/
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:17 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Kashluk wrote:
But that's the shittiest part of FOT multiplayer, only one kinds of character survive :/
That's the best part of only owning a 56k modem, MP, I'm not even tempted. : )
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:03 am Reply with quoteBack to top

elmoo wrote:
Taking Beth as an example, I will leave her with Bruiser. and won't bother with raising her AG or Action Boy. As such, I stress my earlier contention that the Bruiser trait is a God send for Melee players in CTB.


Agility also affects how fast your chacter moves. So if you have a low AG melee character, it takes longer for him to close the distance between him and the target, leaving more time for him to shoot him. Also raiders, etc with guns run back when you get close with a melee guy, and they'll probibly have more AG then your guy, so again your getting shot up again.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:08 am Reply with quoteBack to top

The true bad thing is that every person has a pack full of drugs, which to start off the battle they quickly make themselves 100% in every possible attribute, then they sneak, or something, and the person who shoots first wins.

That is what is bad about the multiplayer I think. Drugs should have had a limit, or cost more points...something to stop the madness.
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 23, 2003 8:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

You could make a non-drug character who has amazing sneak, then wait for everybody's drugs to wear off, then go around killing them with psyco so that they OD, or punch em to death :twisted:
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:47 am Reply with quoteBack to top

ArchVile wrote:
You could make a non-drug character who has amazing sneak, then wait for everybody's drugs to wear off, then go around killing them with psyco so that they OD, or punch em to death :twisted:


i would not puch someone with a Gauss Minigun.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 30, 2003 9:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

last time i played all my squaddies had 12 aps besides that pitch black guy whatshisface..? he had 10 aps

i used him as a sneaky assasin type o deal,didnt work too well though,the only maps were he would be usefull r the first few ones before the muties hit the fan
but then i boosted his energy weapons up to 100 sumthin and he became pretty usefull,also hes good with a power glove so i kept him around for killin passed out enemys

i had robin as a sniper/medic,malice: gunner and thrower,brian and kevin as gunners

see, my philosophy is if the enemy is weak enough to be beaten in ctb,a few ap here or there wont matter much,but if they r hard then u will need as many aps as possible
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2003 5:38 am Reply with quoteBack to top

i should point out that if you are a deathclaw, the one-hander trait is excellent

mega throwing and melee benefits, deathclaw will never use heavy weapons so never suffers the penalties
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