Red's editor

Chaos · Post by **Chaos** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 1:13 am

ok i want to make some tiles using existing ones and just edit them slightly and i can not figure out the editor at all like how do i change the color or texture or something to that sort i am really confused

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 1:19 am

To edit that kind of stuff, you usually use a grphical program such as photoshop.

My editor is not to edit images, but to edit how the tiles are setup (and thus make new ones).

What you could do is take a snapshot of a tile, edit it ni photoshop, save it as a png - making sure the alpha's are set correctly. Convert it to ZAR with the Fo:T editor, and finally import it in the ZAR clipboard after loading said ZAR, making a new tile and exporting the clipped ZAR into the tile.

Chaos · Post by **Chaos** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 2:23 am

ok wait so what if i want to make a broken door tile then i could draw it, save it as png, convert it to zar, and give it all the dimensions and attributes in your editor right and then i could use it?

Max-Violence · Post by **Max-Violence** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 2:58 am

Chaos · Post by **Chaos** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 3:01 am

one more question could i draw the tile in paint because i dont have photoshop but i do have a convertor so that i could turn a .bmp into a .png so would it still work?

Max-Violence · Post by **Max-Violence** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 3:02 am

Chaos · Post by **Chaos** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 3:05 am

ok thanks for the ummmm....one word kinda vague but extremely helpful answers

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 4:08 am

well in the bmp->png conversion you need to make sure to ahve an alpha layer properly set or it'll screw the image quite a bit... so you do need something more powerful then paint.

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 5:36 am

The full version of Photoshop is ideal to use - I use an older version of 5.0. Paint Shop Pro may do the job, right MV? I wouldn't try using anything more primitive - you are just going to get extremely frustrated. If you have a specific request that is not too complex, ask and someone may be willing to do it for you.

Max-Violence · Post by **Max-Violence** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 7:17 am

Jimmyjay86 wrote: Paint Shop Pro may do the job, right MV?

Dunno. Haven't tried it. Haven't tried it 'cause I dunno what I'm doing

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 8:59 am

Yeah, though paint shop pro should also be adequate.

I don't remember wether lview pro supports alpha properly, but if it does, it's another "easyer to attain" alternative, as both these software have complete demo versions (where in photoshop you can't save...)

JJ, notice how almost no-one knows about alpha? It's a real simple concept, but it's one of the reasons I didnt' want to impliment any editing capabilities. The average joe doens't know about this stuff.

Chaos · Post by **Chaos** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 10:04 am

ok jj maybe i will make a small request

i want to make it so that there is a broken door tile that of the bos main door east with one half normal | and then the other half broken inwards like so \ that way the tile will look like this |\ does anyone get this?

Flamescreen · Post by **Flamescreen** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 4:21 pm

I take it you also want the top part of the door to look empty. I think it's doable, but you have to make multiple faces of the door to display that, and if you don't want it to open/close it pretty much doesn't worth the effort.

Red · Post by **Red** » Mon Jul 08, 2002 7:25 pm

That's a photoshop job...

However you want people to be able to go through your door right (or shoot thorugh it).

I such a scenario you'll need 2 tiles.

In both cases though I beleive you'll need photoshop to "cut" the other half. I need to make a PNG extractor, as otherwise you simply can't keep the alpha data

(or some other format photoshop takes).

Max-Violence · Post by **Max-Violence** » Tue Jul 09, 2002 12:51 am

Red wrote: (or some other format photoshop takes)

... along with a format PSP takes and some instructions on how make the things in PSP...

:mrgreen:

Jimmyjay86 · Post by **Jimmyjay86** » Tue Jul 09, 2002 2:41 am

Here is a freeware graphics prog I have just run across:
http://www.gimp.org/the_gimp_about.html

I think all of you Photoshop challenged souls may want to look into it. It seems like it has the necessary ingredients but may require new methods of achieving those results of which I may not be able to help. It is primarily for Unix systems but has a Windows port.

Red · Post by **Red** » Tue Jul 09, 2002 6:54 am

I actually have the thing installed right now.. started it up... and never looked back

Also, about a format, TGA is more interesting than PNG to me, and I sure hope everything can save in that archaic but good format.