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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:04 am Reply with quoteBack to top

[ Community -> Editorial ]

Mismatch has written a new article for DAC readers. It's called "Defining (The) Fallout(s)." Here, you can find Part One of the two (or possibly three) part series. In it, Mismatch examins the core elements of the Fallout series, and how they might translate to other games. Here's a taste:

Let's face it. In recent years we have seen some of the worst cRPGs ever released with titles such as: Dungeon Siege 1 & 2, NWN2, Fable, KOTOR, KOTOR2 and Oblivion.

The cRPG genre game designers need to sit down and think things through. They will not be able to reach good sales figures by bribing gaming magazines for ever. One of these days they'll need to sit down and design a good game. So let's give 'em a hand.

This article will not discuss things so obvious that even a child should grasp them, like: that characters skills determine sucess, not the players mouse skills etc., etc. I will write this in (at least) two parts. Part one will pluck out the components of Fallout, while part two will analyze them. I may also build further upon these article, but then again, I may not be arsed.


Much of what is in here has already been established, and is old news to you. However this is an attempt to sum it up rather coherently.

On a side note, Mismatch now has his own weekly (or whever he feels like it) feature on DAC called "Mismatch's Corner."

Thanks for the great work, Mismatch.

Link: Defining (The) Fallout(s): Part 1

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:16 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Good shit
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 12:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

A salutable effort. salute
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:09 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Mismatch wrote:
Let's face it. In recent years we have seen some of the worst cRPGs ever released with titles such as:
Dungeon Siege 1 & 2, NWN2, Fable, KOTOR, KOTOR2 and Oblivion.

A bold statement, which some people will definitely disagree with, me included. Most of those games had good elements in them and were enjoyable to some extent. I'd say the problem is that they were less RPG oriented while marketing themselves as full-blooded CRPGs thus creating a bit of confusion as to what an RPG really is.

Fallout has a closer connection to table-top RPGs which makes it distinct from other CRPGs. I think respecting the basic principles of roleplaying in the design choices in the game is what lies underneath the success of the series even for players who haven't roleplayed before(including me). Fallout is supposed to feel different from the mass, not only by its setting. It's a whole different kind of open-endedness. Open-endedness is not just throwing the player into a huge world with lots of quests and NPCs and stuff.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 2:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

yea, throwing Dungeon Siege and KOTOR in the same basket is a bit too much..
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:04 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Personaly, I dont even CONSIDER dungeon seige (which I grew frusterated with and never finished) or KOTOR RPGs.

KOTOR and sequel are hack and slash SW games with a few choices, and they're over way before you realize it.

DUngeon seige...... Microsoft. Need I say more ?

Fallout on the other hand, is a TRUE cRPG.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:22 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

substract Fallout from the genre. Where would you now put KOTOR?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 3:24 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

A semi fun SW hack n slash

KOTOR Is as much of an RPG as the earier Dark Forces games.


Simply has way better graphics, and you get to choose which order you go to various worlds in.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:59 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I have KOTOR on my PC since ages, but didn't bother to play it. Is it worth playing?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:02 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Ive only played KOTOR2, its worth about 3 playthrus


First characther, to get used to the game.

next 2, light and fark side.

Im half tempted to replay it, kill everyone.
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