Let's pound the VB corpse some more

Blargh · Post by **Blargh** » Sun Mar 13, 2005 8:39 pm

Do0Fu5 wrote:dont expect me to post again

Don't go . . . we need you . . .

. . .

You make me sad. So sad . . .

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Mon Mar 14, 2005 12:50 am

Yet more proof that either lurking doesn't work or they usually lie.

Post by **DarkUnderlord** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 12:41 am

Does this mean we have his permission to go back to pounding VB some more? I wouldn't want to cause any harm to the regulars. No sirree.

VB stuff might've been great a year or so ago but come on people, it's been canned. What's with the drip feed of "art" for a game that'll never be made? How much longer is stuff going to be "leaked" out? Release it all now and we can get done with the reminiscing and hope for Bethesda's FO3.

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 1:12 am

I thought there wasn't much point moaning about it here alone so I mentioned that at NMA and some folk went mental. I've no idea how long it's going to continue, but they seem to think it's worthwhile, so I expect to see it continue for a while yet.

Post by **Alexander** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 2:07 am

Fez wrote:I thought there wasn't much point moaning about it here alone so I mentioned that at NMA and some folk went mental. I've no idea how long it's going to continue, but they seem to think it's worthwhile, so I expect to see it continue for a while yet.

And now you are banned as I understand...?

ApTyp · Post by **ApTyp** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 3:31 am

Most probably, and I bet it was "for trolling".

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 4:24 am

Yeah, despite the fact I actually bothered to explain my point of view several times when questioned and then kept it all to the thread that was created for me. It was kind of funny and ridiculous at the same time. It was hard to believe anyone could get so worked up about it all. Especially when you consider the number of idiots spamming ads or malicious posts every day.

The best part is that I don't even hate the place or do the "forum war" stuff and was actually just expressing an opinion. I think there must have been a lot of abusive people there sometime to put them on the defensive so much, it makes them assume that everything is an attack or something. You end up with nothing but "yes men" that way. The Codex would be poorer if they banned Volourn, despite him disagreeing with almost every other thing there, it is still a different perspective on subjects.

Frankly, I think I could have written worse in blood and mailed it to Saint or Teatime and they'd have not bothered.

I'd always thought everyone was just being too hard on them, but it seems not if they freak out over something as small as that and ban someone. It's like some sad MMOG obsessive that needs to get laid and snaps at someone and gets all wound up for insulting their faggy elf avatar, the perspective on reality is fading.

At least I don't need to worry about feeling guilty for talking behind their back, now I have to talk about it here instead, as they said they were reading all this anyway, so it's not back stabbing. Normally I'd rather post anything like that on the forum in question.

I still find the whole thing funny now, the ban is like the icing on the cake of insanity. There's no way I can hold a grudge when there is so much comedy value. I love them so much, I'll give them the big wet kiss they sorely need when I get my chance.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 11:34 am

LlamaGod wrote:Man, that concept art with the Mad Max pictures sucks.

It's like the artist guy they always used in the Black Isle crap doesnt know how to do anything besides fantasy (normal person? okay, lets make them PAPER WHITE despite being in the desert with combed pretty hair) and then the gigantic ass shoulder pad with 90 spikes in it...

Idiots.

ditto.
this guy is just hilarious. his clothes in perfect condition, his hair washed and combed an hour ago, the mega-hiper-shoulder-pad, oh pleez...

Killzig · Post by **Killzig** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:04 pm

After seeing this concept art I'm glad VB never got done. The engine looks like shit and shoe string budget shows even in the quality of the concept art. The "Mad Max" dude DOES look like some sort of paper doll taken from Icewind Dale concept art.

Haris · Post by **Haris** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 8:43 pm

Bah i cant read Fez flaming thread on nma. They put members only on it.

Mr. Teatime · Post by **Mr. Teatime** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:05 pm

I was never against Van Buren. In hindsight it may well have been a subpar game due to the budget, Interplay's stupid demands like the dual combat system, and a short development time, but we'll never know.
What I object to is the way this stuff is being leaked out and I get the impression as 'Fallout fans' we're supposed to orgasm (according to some people) over some pretty standard concept art that's coming out every few weeks and being leaked to NMA, <i><b>nearly two years after the game is dead</i></b>. I mean, WTF.

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Tue Mar 15, 2005 9:47 pm

That's how I felt and still do, Teatime.

PiP · Post by **PiP** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 10:47 am

that I don't like the neat-and-clean look of the concept art doesn't mean I think VB would suck. It merely means some artists should be instructed how living in the wasteland influences the look of your hair (think water and shampoo supplies), and other stuff like that. Also they obviously would have had to do it less show-off and less "pirate" (the pad).
Other than that, the art looks really OK, and it's _only_ concept art for chrissake!

VB's engine looks _good_ to me, to say the least. If we could only see it finished. Also, as far as I remember Sawyer (and co.?) had a couple of good ideas of changing the skill/rule system, which I liked. Altogether, I was really looking forward to seeing this game. Pity. Ain't no stupid concept art gonna change it.

Spazmo · Post by **Spazmo** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 4:37 pm

Concept art defines the look and feel of the game. It's what it does. If the concept art doesn't look right--and it doesn't here--the game won't look right.

And Sawyer and Co. had really horrible ideas for fucking with SPECIAL. Splitting speech into a bunch of different skills to avoid people winning the game with a single skill while merging all the gun skills into one is completely asinine.

Fez · Post by **Fez** » Wed Mar 16, 2005 7:58 pm

The town management features and zany themes sounded a bit iffy too.