If Fallout were real...

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 7:49 am

People are just doubting something that they will most likely never encounter, well no I take that back, nuclear war is just waiting to happen. And as you said Dingo, or implied anyway, we aren't necessarily going to become mindless idiots just because we have to resort to primitive ways.

But the thing that gets me is that, the more and more we live and try to survive in this world, the more it is going to be just like normal life. So what will we be dreaming of then, how would we invision the future, and what if we try redo what we did wrong only to find that we do it the exact same way?

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:38 am

Want fewer regulations do you? Two words, Libertarian Party. They're for getting rid of the governemnt interefernce in our daily lives.

Those fat people you were talking about that are taking up space? That's me asshole, I'll kill you! *huff* Just as *puff* soon as I catch my *wheeze* breath. Ass *huff* hole...

You're still going to need to work to survive if you live in a town or a village because if you go out on your own you'll probably die without trading and in order to do that you need have currencey or items to barter, so you're going to have to work or be a scvanger, I like the scavanger idea but you need either stealth or a couple poeple with good weapons. In the PA world I would love to be a scavanger but unfortunatly we don't have very good combat weapons, except the three shotguns, they can be pretty wicked in a CQB, especially the sawed off side-by-side, other than that we've got an M629 .44 magnum, a .38 and a .22, all revolvers, but that's wh yyou band together and work as a team, a team of scavangers. Good times.

Just because there was a war dosn't mean that all the amenities of life will be gone, CD players will still be around, along with CD's T.V.s will still be around along with VCR's and DVD players and your Xbox, and even if they were damaged you can still repair it, before the shit hits the fan get buddy buddy with repair man and hope they don't explode a couple nukes high up and fry everything, and even then someone will figure out how to make chips and such and in a few years will be manufacturing things like VCR's, or even the parts needed to repair them, and the resourceful repairman could steal from other devices and repair the things and such.

Here's the thing about caveman and technology related suicides, they didn't kill themselves over the lack of computers because they had absolutly no idea they existed, Hell, if they saw one of our magic porn boxes they would have shit their loincloth. They would probably throw themselves off cliffs if a rival cave exploded some dirt clumps in the higher atmosphere and it caused their flint to stop working. Me not think that a worl worth living in. Mongo straight.

The only people that would absolutly shun technology and kill those who know how to make technology their bitch are probably escaped mental patients and should be avoided at all costs, or killed because we all know they worship the mushroom people, and guess what, the mushroom people want your daughter's brains, her sweet, sweet brains.

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:57 am

airsoftguy wrote:Want fewer regulations do you? Two words, Libertarian Party. They're for getting rid of the governemnt interefernce in our daily lives.

The Libertarian party is probably the best party in America I've seen. I seriously don't get why more don't vote for them. They fucking rule.

Those fat people you were talking about that are taking up space? That's me asshole, I'll kill you! *huff* Just as *puff* soon as I catch my *wheeze* breath. Ass *huff* hole...

Hey, you know, you could live off of your fat for a couple of weeks if you can't find any food, whereas my skinny 130 pound ass will be hella screwed if I don't find something to eat. You have a distinct advantage and you'll be losing weight while you do it.

You're right, there'd be remnants of technology. I am not denying technology's worth. But technology like that pussy Segway scooter is just stupid. If you have to stand up when you use it that means that cripples can't use it...which means you're not using your legs...your legs that were built to move you from place to place. Why do you even need that damn thing? Can we not walk fine already or something? Besides, you're only moving at around 10 to 15 MPH at best on one of those things. Not a big difference...

I want to meet these mushroom people you speak of. They sound hella interesting, despite the fact that they want to eat my daughter's brains.

Also, I bet they'd have all sorts of "trippy" things to help people cope with their "bleak" existence.

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:23 am

Well the average person walks about 2 miles an hour so 10 to 15 is a pretty big advantage, if you were running you could probablt beat the Segway, but you'd get tired pretty quick. Although the only place where something like that would be useful is the city and you have to compete with people who use their legs to get around because they don't feel like selling their nuts for something that's really just a gay cousen to the moped. At least mopeds you can legaly drive on the street and go like 30 mph.

I would probably stay fat afterwards but get stronger, because I'm lazy by nature and a shooter, and shooters are big guys, helps achor us down so we get off more accurate shot with less movement.

The Libertarian Party is pretty awesome but the major problem, is they're pro-pot, they want it legalized and that scares people, they seem to think that smoking weed makes you crazy, kind of like how the Brady Bunch will have you belive that a firearm makes you want to kill people. The other major problem is people are afraid of change, we've been a two party country forever, there is good news though, in state and local governments Libertarians are getting elected, it's only a matter of time before we get a viable Libertarian presedential candidate.

The mushroom people do not exist, much like Ted, he lives in my eyebrow. Smash his house.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:27 am

Are you telling us to punch you in the face?

And yeah that Segway is really gay, sure it's a pretty good idea, but it's just not worth it. And wat would society be like if the Libertarion Party was in control, someone give me an example.

Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 9:46 am

Yeah, the Segway has an advantage, but it's been banned in many major cities and it's awkward if you drive it around walking people. I'd much rather walk or ride a bike (you can go a lot faster and it's not that tiring, requires absolutely no power, and they're not illegal) than use a Segway, but that's just me.

Many people are naturally fat, and there's nothing wrong with that. But a lot of people just eat shitty food. In fact, I'd say the vast majority of people that are fat are because of their bad eating habits. Me, I just don't eat enough. I should be a medium build though. I used to be, but I stopped eating as much (I had no choice, I am poor). I used to weigh 150 and I lost 20 lbs. out of nowhere.

Government under Libertarianism:

- Massive reduction or complete eliminiation of income tax.
- Legalized marijuana.
- Military bases closed around the world, military primarily focuses on defense instead of completely dominating every orifice of the world.
- Very little gun control, if any.
- REAL freedom of speech, i.e. you can say "I want to kill people," and not get dragged into court over it.

Libertarians basically follow the formulae given to us by the founding fathers, AKA the Constitution. They don't invent a bunch of rediculous laws that violate rights and they are extremely rational about their platforms.

Libertarians are for personal freedoms, basically. A really great party that I'd certainly vote for if I didn't see democracy as a fading aspect of our country. I'm not of voting age yet until March.

InvisibleMonkey · Post by **InvisibleMonkey** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:04 am

I see, so Libertarians are more for what the Constitution stands for, hence LIBERTarianism. That seems like a party actually worth voting for.

Nuclear Gandhi · Post by **Nuclear Gandhi** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:27 am

It's been a two party system now for what, at least 150 years now? And when the "FUCKING LIBERTARIANS" start popping up, the dems and the reps will be afraid of losing power, so of course they'll blast it like it is pure bullshit.

Stupidity forms in clusters.

And Bush has hacked my computer today.

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:36 am

Quit your job and work somewhere else. Do something about changing your miserable life, for a change. Don't fucking whine about how you want the world to go all apocalyptic just so you can get your selfish desire to be independent. You can do that here and now just by taking the first step. The only thing stopping you from changing your life is your habit of procrastinating - it's so bad that you honestly believe that the world needs to change FOR you. I think that you should try to adapt to this world and change for it before you start thinking about adapting to a post-nuclear fallout world.

You're a nihilist and I don't believe that any of us figured you as an idealist. We just think you're a loser.

Sol Invictus · Post by **Sol Invictus** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 10:44 am

No income tax? Say goodbye to Adam Smith's proposals. It's going to go Feudal with the rich becoming richer and the richer being able to own empires.

Ausir · Post by **Ausir** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:10 am

The technology is the only chance for longterm survival of the human species.
If it happens in a million, billion or more years, sooner or later Earth will be destroyed or turned inhabitable. Our descendants' only chance then will be offworld colonies.
So, your "natural evolution" inevitably leads to eventual, total extermination of all Earth species.

airsoft guy · Post by **airsoft guy** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:29 am

There will always be an income tax, how the Hell are our elected officials and government workers supposed to get paid? The income tax would be severly reduced. People bitch about the country being broke and blame it all on the evil Republicans, at the same time the 'Rats are bitching that we need more social services and point out that we can just tax the people more. Right now the Federal Income Tax is above 40 percent right? Did you know that in parts of the United States people have to hand over about 70 percent of their total income? Local, county, state, Federal, and sometimes sales tax and vice taxes and such all add up to about 70 percent for some people, and when they bitch about it they're called right-wing psycos. Wasn't there a war fought over this bullshit?

The technology is the only chance for longterm survival of the human species.
If it happens in a million, billion or more years, sooner or later Earth will be destroyed or turned inhabitable. Our descendants' only chance then will be offworld colonies.
So, your "natural evolution" inevitably leads to eventual, total extermination of all Earth species.

But what's your definition of technology? Us using a sharpened stick to poke possums to death is technology too you know.

Now I'm being an optimist here but I think that within a thousand years the Earth will not be livable, anything useful will be mined by dudes who live in dirty biodomes who just want to go back home to their giant spaceship habitat. The air will be so polluted that you could set fire to everything that would burn and the only effect it would have is make it glow a little. It will be barren, cities left to rot and crumble away, kind of liek in A.I. but more Stanley Kubrick and less Steven Speilberg, a lot less Speilberg and a lot more Kubrick, in fact it might look a little like Seti Alpha 6 from Star Trek 2: The Wrath of Khan. Man that is like one of the coolest Star Trek movies.

Sorry, it's late, the mind wanders, ooh, butterflies!

Forty-six & Two · Post by **Forty-six & Two** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:46 am

Exitium wrote:Quit your job and work somewhere else. Do something about changing your miserable life, for a change. Don't fucking whine about how you want the world to go all apocalyptic just so you can get your selfish desire to be independent. You can do that here and now just by taking the first step. The only thing stopping you from changing your life is your habit of procrastinating - it's so bad that you honestly believe that the world needs to change FOR you. I think that you should try to adapt to this world and change for it before you start thinking about adapting to a post-nuclear fallout world.

You're a nihilist and I don't believe that any of us figured you as an idealist. We just think you're a loser.

Its not like hes demanding the world to change for him, hes just explaining some theories. Take it easy man, pry that thing, whatever it is, in your ass out. Try discussing the topic instead of making weird assumptions.

Megatron · Post by **Megatron** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 11:48 am

Well without taxes, people could just get given stuff?

Robots are more likely to take us over than nuclear war. Mabye 2030's or something. If robots become self-aware and replicating, we can't do anything to stop them or something.

GET YOUR ASS TO MARS!

Ausir · Post by **Ausir** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 2:34 pm

We could always implement them Asimov's three laws

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Neon Dingo · Post by **Neon Dingo** » Sun Aug 17, 2003 8:42 pm

Thanks for defending me Forty-Six & Two.

Exitium wrote:Quit your job and work somewhere else. Do something about changing your miserable life, for a change. Don't fucking whine about how you want the world to go all apocalyptic just so you can get your selfish desire to be independent. You can do that here and now just by taking the first step. The only thing stopping you from changing your life is your habit of procrastinating - it's so bad that you honestly believe that the world needs to change FOR you. I think that you should try to adapt to this world and change for it before you start thinking about adapting to a post-nuclear fallout world. You're a nihilist and I don't believe that any of us figured you as an idealist. We just think you're a loser.

Ouch, man. Ouch.

My life is not miserable. I love my fucking life, what gave you the impression I hated it? I have cool friends, I'm really talented at drawing, my parents don't suck, and I have a roof over my head and food. I may be poor, but it doesn't bother me. I'm not worthless, despite the fact that you think I'm a "loser."

I may hate aspects of society, certain groups of people, or just the way things work in general, but that doesn't mean I can't have a good time.

Everyone wants the world to change, how am I any different? I'm not saying the world should bend over backwards for me. I'm just putting some ideas on the table.

I think I remember reading that we have less than 50 years of oil supply left. The transition into alternative fuels is pretty slow and expensive. It might be really hard to make that transition.

We could always implement them Asimov's three laws :) .

And risk having gay robots like Bicentennial Man?

Robots taking over is not a far-fetched scenario. The Terminator or The Matrix could actually happen, you know.

Mars is probably humanity's last hope, but we're really not advancing fast enough (space-wise) to pull it off for another 50 to 100 years.

Hammer · Post by **Hammer** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 3:33 am

Soon as the bombs hit and chaos ensued I'd go out and kill everybody I don't like.

Like my neighbor and their stupid kid who keeps throwing shit on my lawn.

Doyle · Post by **Doyle** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 4:46 am

Neon Dingo wrote:I think I remember reading that we have less than 50 years of oil supply left. The transition into alternative fuels is pretty slow and expensive. It might be really hard to make that transition.

Actually, the estimate of the amount of oil available is constantly increasing. In either case, that may all change with the <a href="http://www.discover.com/may_03/featoil.html" target="_blank">development of a new process that can change a lot of different kinds of wastes into various other substances, including oil</a>. We're saved!

LlamaGod · Post by **LlamaGod** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:20 am

airsoft guy wrote:The technology is the only chance for longterm survival of the human species.
If it happens in a million, billion or more years, sooner or later Earth will be destroyed or turned inhabitable. Our descendants' only chance then will be offworld colonies.
So, your "natural evolution" inevitably leads to eventual, total extermination of all Earth species.

When I read this part, the female voice the Master used came into my mind..

God i'm suck a geek..

As for living in the wasteland, it'd be tricky because I have a skin condition to sunlight, so i'd be rather in pain and crispy.

Ernesto · Post by **Ernesto** » Mon Aug 18, 2003 5:30 am

Neon Dingo wrote:
We could always implement them Asimov's three laws .
And risk having gay robots like Bicentennial Man?

And we can't have a Blade Runner remake either.

All this talk about survival has made me wondered my chances in a Wasteland-esque environ. I should read up on some of this crap, seeing how the possibility of me surviving in the wilderness is slim to none.