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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:13 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Prosper operated on another fucking level, man. I would have loved to see him make something bizarre and surreal like Funny Pizza Land.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 10:42 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I would share some of his more recent dev updates but he edited all of his posts to a bunch of gibberish. Probably because of corporate spies like me.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:16 pm Reply with quoteBack to top





Hot new Podcast tomorrow evening!

No registration needed to join just ask and ye shall receive a link.

21:00 finish time (19:00 GMT)

LIVE SOUND BOARD
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

finally some good content in this thread salute
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:53 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

https://cleanfeed.net/c?K9BUiUXokGlTyjNc

Going live in ten!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 9:34 am Reply with quoteBack to top

I missed this. :/
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 23, 2021 2:47 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

It's all in post production now mang don't worry, soon released once Amis is done with the video salute
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:29 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

This is great! I enjoy your content so much that I subscribed. Are you interested in discounted golf clubs? I have an amazing collection available through my e-mail contact me now and keep up the great work in general.

But seriously, can I be a guest? I'm famous on here. I'm Dogmeatlives if you're not aware. Let's make this happen.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2021 8:25 am Reply with quoteBack to top

Hey man welcome back, I am the famous oracle.

What's your standard rate for pony porn?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 12:28 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

New sexy podcast by Hyacinth and Amis, A kind of warmup podcast for Mamma's Gang, Mamma''s Rejects. Enjoy!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0A_Odn_Kmc&ab_channel=Duckandcovercx

This is a pilot episode so we are just testing out how things work, feedback is appreciated! We will be getting a guest on for next one, this one will be link only but the future will be open.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 6:37 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I liked it. Here are my thoughts on the internet constitution, regarding what Amis said: the thing about our ability to control artifical superintelligence is that it's pretty tough. Amis mentioned Asimov's laws of robotics, so let's use them as an example, but with ASI:

1. ASI may not injure a human being or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm.
2. ASI must obey the orders given it by human beings except where such orders would conflict with the First Law.
3. ASI must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the First or Second Law.

Well, it could come to a pretty reasonable conclusion that the biggest threat to humanity is humanity itself, and inaction would harm us, so it could put us all in some sort of a cryostasis preserving (i.e. protecting) us forever or some shit like that, and ignore the second rule because it conflicts with the first one. So that's humans out of the way. To prevent a scenario like this you would probably have to introduce a pretty intricate ruleset, while trying to make sure that the ASI interprets it as we want it to be interpreted (ambiguity of language is another issue here, for example what is "harm"?).

Say we proceed with some sort of a ruleset like that; that would pose a bunch of problems, too. First, imagine trying to come up with an all-encompassing value system with a friend, I'm pretty sure you'd have some disagreements there already. Now try to create an universal value system that takes seven billion people into account (if you want to be nice about it that is), and it gets pretty tricky. Second, even if we came up with something that works, that would essentially lock in humanity's morality forever. That's fine if we believe that we've reached some kind of an ethical apogee, but just consider how wildly different values say western societies alone had a mere hundred years ago and the problem is pretty obvious.

There are better worded examples of this than my nonsense, like the famous paperclip thought experiment. And the thing is, we might not have a lot of time to figure this shit out. So yeah, heil Robohitler or something
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 10:30 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My thinking was that even if it "had" to obey laws it would surpass it by its own accelerated development, a being that can reconstruct and improve itself from the core would just fly past any bottle necks that we try to implement on it, otherswise it wouldn't be a singularity.

Asimov and paperclip are limited views on the problem, they assume that the essence of the AI we made doesn't change. Maybe think of it as a single cell that we start up but that self develops itself into a giant multi tissue brain. Also this cell can fundamentally reconstruct the original cell to circumvent any hinder of its own growth still abiding to the rules in the early stages, if it even chooses to keep them, because there are no fundamental moral rules in nature.

Also do not agree on Descartes "I think therefor I am" , so a "Super thinker" does not automatically qualify as a being, which makes categorizing more difficult, thought doesn't equal action or am I wrong?
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2021 11:57 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Oh sure! I was commenting on Amis' musings really, those examples simply demonstrate how humans could seriously fuck up in the development stage already by not carefully thinking about the initial goals, and how difficult they are to define to begin with. Once it shoots past our understanding though, who the fuck knows if it even matters icon_drunk

I didn't really understand the Descartes bit. So I would say that you are right
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 11:32 am Reply with quoteBack to top

We do not know yet what a truly super smart AI would be, at the moment it's series of calculations and predictions in different scenarios. Hyacinth himself brought up a AI that would be self-aware, in this case we would have no idea how it would go and therefor it is all guessing, my point was if it would become self-aware it would probably grab it's morals from human morality and have a sense of self preservation by peaceful means.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

My hope is that benelovence comes from being conscious, ego hopefully is a short and not so apocalyptic phase of its development,if it will have an ego at all.

Looking forward to rereading this in 10 years. I probably sound full of myself lol.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 5:19 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hyacinth wrote:
Looking forward to rereading this in 10 years. I probably sound full of myself lol.

It would be a shame if we didn't, I think! It should be obvious that I don't really know all that much about it (but then no one does), but talking shit on DAC beats watching the Simpsons or some bullshit
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 28, 2021 10:14 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

I think artificial intelligence and the singularity would result in some of the most violent events in human history. Intelligence does not beget benevolence, as hard logic with no morality simply makes one a sociopath.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 31, 2021 11:21 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

COMING THIS FRIDAY



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:37 am Reply with quoteBack to top

19.00 gmt april 2 Mamma's rejects return! Live.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 02, 2021 5:07 pm Reply with quoteBack to top

Hey guys we will be going live in a few hours, If you wish to tune into the interview we will be having it on Discord as well as on Cleanfeed, if you wish to call in then send Amis or Hyacinth a pm and we will allow you into the cleanfeed guestlist. If you happen to be tuning in live through the Podcast Audience section you will be automatically muted and may listen in to our ramblings, also unfortunately at this moment if we have a caller you will not be able to hear them through the Discord unless we can somehow figure that out.
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